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Shon Hopkin – Publishing in a Secular World

Search Isaiah asking BYU professor Shon Hopkin asking if publishing in the secular world is difficult.

Ken Krogue:  I learned, and I didn’t know a lot about the structure you, as scholars live with.  I learned at BYU that about eighty percent of the scholars are more research based, and maybe fifteen percent are more teaching based, and about five or seven percent come from the professional track.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: And so, it’s pretty wide range, and they’re fairly silo’ d in how they do things, but they’ll work together.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: But I’ve been thinking a lot about particularly the research piece, and you guys…are you in the research side?

Shon Hopkin: Yes.

Ken Krogue: So, you’re asked to publish?

Shon Hopkin: Yes.

Ken Krogue: And you have to do it in a secular world, with secular rules, I mean the whole publish or perish model has to get through peer review, but yeah, we’re BYU and we have a God centric mindset.  Has that been challenging? I mean, to get your stuff out there and really academically recommend it, journals, but yet you still want to represent what you believe?

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: Talk about that.

Shon Hopkin: It’s really challenging actually?

Ken Krogue: Is it?

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.  It really is.  If I’m going to do Biblical things…so I believe in prophecy, right?

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin: I believe in the coming of Jesus Christ, and His miraculous resurrection and atoning sacrifice.  Those things color the ways that I read the Bible and it is very rare.  You’ve got to talk about it in just the right way for that to be able to make it into some publication, that belief to make it through.  You have to really take a non-devotional approach, right? And just be very careful that you’re speaking…but this is dual language kind of stuff…

Ken Krogue: Yes, it is.

Shon Hopkin: Where you have to be able to speak…

Ken Krogue: And Isaiah did that.

Shon Hopkin: Isaiah very much did that, yes, but it is tricky, it is really tricky.  And so, what you’ll find is a lot of people, although less these days because, here at BYU they want us to do more and more that really communicates with outside audiences because it’s how BYU continues to become more and more reputable.

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin: So, that’s hard but we get that from our board of educations.  I think a lot of our people are like, well, why aren’t you writing more stuff to the latter-day saints.  And we actually do try to do that, but we don’t get a lot of academic credit, work credit for it, and it’s a very busy job, and so you think, well I’ve got to keep my job, and I’m getting this direction from the board of education which is led by prophets.  So, I’ve got to do what I’m asked to do, but it is tricky, and it leads to sort of two different styles of publishing.

Ken Krogue: That makes sense.  What’s your next exciting adventure? Where are you going? You’ve got this coming out, but what’s next? What can we talk about?

Shon Hopkin: Ok, so two things.  I’ll mention, we just talked about the two different sides.  On the purely academic side, I’ve got a book on a medieval Jew that I’ve been working on for a long time, and I’m about to get done with, so I’m excited about that.

Ken Krogue: What are you going to call it?

Shon Hopkin: Well, so his name is Sarphati, it’s his name, so that will probably just be the title right there, Sarphati, and it’s an analysis of his work and a translation of his work, and there will probably be one latter day saint that reads it, and that’ll be my mom and she’ll tell me she read it, but it’ll be important.

Ken Krogue: Just like we do to Isaiah, right?

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, exactly yeah.  It’s not as rich as Isaiah, that’s for sure, but it’ll be helpful for me career wise and for medievalists, it’ll be a good deal. Yeah, it’ll be interesting.  For things that matter more to latter day saints, I’m just trying to finish up an article right now that I’m pretty excited about.  I’ve had the ideas for this for a long time, about women and the law of Moses.  And there  are some very interesting regulations about women, about giving birth and a time of separation, and you come back to the temple, even about the monthly cycle, things like that, that are life and death oriented, that the law of Moses cared a lot about, and I’m taking a latter day saint reading of those elements of the mosaic covenant, because they seem, at first glance, pretty negative and harsh towards women, and I don’t think they were intended that way at all.  I think they were actually designed to acknowledge the challenges of being a life giver in that sense, and then to work with those to help women, first of all to honor what they’re doing and then to help them heal as in this incredibly central dangerous role, especially in ancient times of giving birth.  So, anyway, I’m doing an article on that.

Ken Krogue: Wonderful.

Shon Hopkin: And how many people will or won’t care about that, I don’t know, but I care about it, and I think it’s interesting.

Ken Krogue: Beautiful.  Do you have anything brewing in the world of Isaiah?

Shon Hopkin: Let’s see.  What am I doing with Isaiah right now? Honestly, until this thing comes out that sort of where it’s sitting.  I teach education week every summer and I usually do an Isaiah section.

Ken Krogue: Oh, fun.

Shon Hopkin: this year things are a little bit slower for me because I’m going to be in Jerusalem from August of 18 to August of 19.

Ken Krogue: Oh, my heavens.

Shon Hopkin: So, it’s sort of gearing up for this trip in six months.

Ken Krogue: We might have you there when we do the conference then?

Shon Hopkin: That would be a lot of fun.

Ken Krogue: That would be cool.

Shon Hopkin:  that would be a lot of fun, yeah.

Amazing Find in Jerusalem That Archaeologists World-wide Are Talking About

Archaeologist Eilat Mazar

Archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar. of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, recently announced that a clay seal impression, known as a bulla, has the name Isaiah on it. This means her team may have uncovered the first actual evidence of the existence of the prophet Isaiah beyond the Bible itself.

This clay seal displays Isaiah’s name. The broken part would form the word prophet

“Because the bulla has been slightly damaged at the end of the word nvy,” she wrote in the most recent Biblical Archaeology Review, “it is not known if it originally ended with the Hebrew letter aleph, which would have resulted in the Hebrew word for ‘prophet’ and would have definitively identified the seal as the signature of the prophet Isaiah. The absence of this final letter, however, requires that we leave open the possibility that it could just be the name Navi…the name of Isaiah, however, is clear.”

Clay seal impression of King Hezekiah

Mazar surprised the world in 2015 with another find at the Ophel site near the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, it was a clay seal, or bulla, of Israel’s King Hezekiah. This bulla was less than ten feet from the recent find, of which she wrote, “[If] this bulla is indeed that of the prophet Isaiah, then it should not come as a surprise to discover this bulla next to one bearing King Hezekiah’s name given the symbiotic relationship of the prophet Isaiah and King Hezekiah described in the Bible.”

Digging in the biblical acropolis of First Temple Period in Jerusalem for much of the last 30 years, Mazar’s archeological finds include uncovering structures, a city gate, royal treasures, towers, a royal ‘bakery’ and the seals of both King Hezekiah and this possible seal of Isaiah, along with dozens of other seals.

Mazar started working this site along with her grandfather prof. Benjamin Mazar in 1986–87, on behalf of the Institute of Archaeology of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Since that time, she has conducted several seasons of excavation at the site as funding has been available.

Read Mazar’s entire article “Is This the Prophet Isaiah’s Signature?” in the Biblical Archaeology Review 44:2, March/April May/June 2018

At Last, The Secret To The Book of Mormon Is Revealed

Just Reveal The Secret To The Book of Mormon

BYU’s Maxwell Institute published a paper by Avraham Gileadi where he advanced the thesis that Isaiah is a key to understanding the Book of Mormon. Naturally, he begins by pointing out that both books teach us a lot about each other and the better we grasp the one, the more thoroughly we will know the other.

A type is a symbol that foreshadows a future event. We can learn more about an event by studying the details of types or shadows that foreshadow that event.—Old Testament Seminary Teacher Manual

He states: “The Book of Mormon offers four keys essential for understanding Isaiah:

  1. the spirit of prophecy or the Holy Ghost;
  2. the letter of prophecy1 or the manner of the Jews;
  3. diligent searching of Isaiah’s words; and
  4. types, or the idea that events in Israel’s past foreshadow events in the latter days.

In the paper, he stated, “The last days portend both good and evil: Isaiah describes a glorious salvation on the earth for the Lord’s long-suffering people; but he also portrays a world ripening in iniquity that the Lord will destroy in a fiery holocaust, a war to end all wars.”

Gileadi explains that Nephite prophets tell that story, but in a way intended to teach us things about our time. “These events in the Book of Mormon, chosen out of the many that could have been included, help people in our time understand events that are to come—events that will fulfill Isaiah’s prophecies about our modern day.” He continued, “Matching these with their latter-day counterparts resembles putting together a jigsaw puzzle—every piece fits and adds to the picture”

Then he suggests a closer study of the Book of Mormon, which paints a living portrait of the “types of things Isaiah prophesied” for the end times “is not simply the story of what happened to Lehi’s family and others who journeyed to the Western hemisphere.”

For example, Isaiah prophesied a literal new exodus for the Lord’s people in the last days, one that resembles the ancient Exodus out of Egypt. He also foresaw a new Passover, a new coming down of God from Mount Zion (not Sanai), a further wandering in the wilderness, and a new conquest of the promised land—all new versions of things similar to what happened in Moses’ day.

Giledai finds more than thirty significant events that are reported in the Old Testament which could be “types” for the future events in our day. So, when Book of Mormon writers quote from Isaiah, we expect that they will share Isaiah’s use of these “types.”

This bears the question: “Why did Book of Mormon writers choose to tell about specific events in their history and not others?” It makes sense that those events had special meaning as lessons for us, many generations later, likely so that we could learn what we must watch for and do.

The Book of Mormon begins with Lehi’s family exodus: “the people in Jerusalem were ripening in wickedness; the Lord sent Lehi and others to prophesy coming destruction and captivity.” This happened again when King Mosiah lead a remnant of the Nephites through the wilderness until they discovered the people of Zarahemla and united with them (see Omni 1:12-19).

Zarahemla’s people, like Lehi’s family before, had journeyed in the wilderness (see Omni 1:15-16) and crossed the sea to this promised land. This same kind of thing ensued when Ammon lead the people of king Limhi through the wilderness to the land of Zarahemla (see Mosiah 22:11-13). Then to be sure the reader gets “the Exodus theme in the Book of Mormon, its writers quote many of Isaiah’s prophecies of the latter-day exodus out of Babylon (see 1 Nephi 20:20; 2 Nephi 8:10-11; 21:15; 3 Nephi 20:41-42).”

Gileadi explained that as our own latter-day exodus draws near, as Isaiah prophesied, “the Book of Mormon is there to help us recognize conditions preceding it.” That way having received “a pattern in all things” (D&C 52:14) from the past, and having received latter-day prophecies of an exodus by the Saints (D&C 103:15-20), we may be ready.

Here see that Isaiah prophesied about the last days, drawing on ancient “types.” In turn the Book of Mormon prophesied indirectly by highlighting certain aspects of its history that reinforce or echo those “types” used by Isaiah.

Gileadi stated, “The Lord’s judgments in the last days possess a twofold dimension at His coming, the Lord will both deliver (by an exodus) the righteous and destroy the wicked. This will take place in two separate stages:

  1. first, when His people are fully wicked, God will raise up their enemies to invade their lands and destroy many of them; and
  2. second, when the Lord’s purpose of punishing the wicked has been served, he will empower a righteous remnant of his people to overthrow those invaders.

Gileadi explained that using ancient Assyria as the “type” for an “oppressive latter-day superpower, Isaiah predicted that the Lord would raise up a new ‘Assyria’ as his instrument for destroying and taking captive his people.”

Since the Book of Mormon does not offer “a hundredth part of their history… this pattern of invasion and reconquest must have been essential for them to emphasize.” Gileadi askes: “Why does Book of Mormon writers play up individual episodes of their military history, such as the wars Moroni waged, and yet deliberately downplay others, such as King Benjamin’s great victory over the Lamanites (see Words of Mormon 1:13)?” Answering his own question, Gileadi says that, “Through wars, the Lord often destroyed the more wicked part of the Nephites but spared the righteous (see Omni 1:5-7; Alma 50:22).

Gileadi explained that “after many perished, the Lord strengthened the Nephites, and they overthrew their enemies and ousted them from the land (see Alma 2:1-3:3).” He continued, “When we look at thesewars,, we should not necessarily assume that as many battles will repeat themselves in our time. Just as several exoduses in the Book of Mormon may prefigure a single latter-day exodus—the exodus of which Isaiah prophesied—so several Nephite-Lamanite wars may symbolize a separate conflict between the Lord’s people and an alien power.”

He explained that the common elements of Book of Mormon battles “teach us about this great last war of which Isaiah prophesied:

  1. First, internal disagreements and secret combinations will weaken and divide the Lord’s people.
  2. Second, an alien power will invade the land, conquering and destroying, and seeking to impose its oppressive rule over the Lord’s people.
  3. Third, a righteous prophet-commander will lead an army of the Lord’s people against their enemies.
  4. Fourth, their cause will be to defend their freedom, their religion, and their families.
  5. Fifth, they will call on the Lord to assist them.
  6. Sixth, the hand of the Lord will be with them so that they will succeed in defeating their enemies and restoring peace.”

Gileadi summarizes with: “Each set of parallels in the Book of Mormon (of the exodus and war stories)…helps us to see a broader meaning behind Nephi’s statements that his people may ‘liken’ Isaiah’s words to themselves (see 1 Nephi 19:23-24; 2 Nephi 11:2, 8). Since Nephi saw the last days in vision, he established a pattern for recording history that would best serve the Lamanites in that latter day. …The Book of Mormon’s extensive use of such types helps to establish its authenticity as an ancient, sacred record written by prophets for the instruction of the Lord’s people in the last days.”


This article was taken from  “Isaiah: Four Latter-day Keys to an Ancient Book,” by Avraham Gileadi, in Isaiah and the Prophets: Inspired Voices from the Old Testament, ed. Monte S. Nyman and Charles D. Tate Jr. (Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1984), 119–38.

Randal S. Chase, Old Testament Study Guide, Pt. 3: The Old Testament Prophets (Making Precious Things Plain) (Volume 9), Amazon, p 44

Ann Madsen – Metaphors vs. Idioms in the Book of Isaiah

Search Isaiah - Ann Madsen - Metaphors vs. Idioms in the Book of Isaiah

Kelsey Wilding:  What’s the difference between idioms and metaphors?

Ann Madsen:  A metaphor is something that stands for something else, that it…I explained it in one of the first lectures in class that you say, he is a lamb.  Now when I say that, what do you think of?  What’s the first word that comes to your mind?

Kelsey Wilding: I would say like meek or humble.

Ann Madsen: Yeah, meek or humble, but it’s like me.  You have fed lambs in Wyoming as a thirteen-year-old and felt like they were going to suck your arm right into their…you’re feeding them with a nipple on a bottle and I really was afraid, that I had to hold on.  I was shaking because I was holding on so tight, that that lamb was going to pull my whole arm into its mouth.  That gives me a whole different view of a lamb than this meek, little beautiful white lamb in the corner of it.  Or if you’ve seen a lamb that was sick or there are all kinds of things, it depends on your experience what the metaphor means.  I don’t go along with the idea that I can tell you what this metaphor means.  I don’t want to tell you about feeding that lamb.  You’ve got your own lamb and you can use that metaphor, and the Lord can use that metaphor in teaching you something that he doesn’t need to teach me.

Kelsey Wilding: So, metaphors are used to teach more people instead of having it, or translated this is how it is?

Ann Madsen: Yeah, see.  For instance, in English, lamb is lamb, in French, lamb is lamb.  I mean it’s’ a different word, but it’s a lamb.  So, it’s an object, and I try to teach my students to see the picture of the object, and then decide what it means.  Don’t say, oh, it says, the water will rise up to your neck.  And it does day that in one place, and I’m a swimmer, and believe me, when you tell me the water has risen up to my neck, I know I can swim out of it probably, but there are people drowning in such situations, so it has a different meaning for me as a swimmer than it does to someone that can’t swim.  That would just be instant death to them.

Kelsey Wilding: Yeah, so then what is an idiom?

Ann Madsen: Well, an idiom is a totally different thing.

Kelsey Wilding: A totally different thing?  So, they’re not related at all?

Ann Madsen: The related word to a metaphor, would be simile.

Kelsey Wilding: Simile.

Ann Madsen: A simile is when you say it is like this, but a metaphor just says, it is this.  It is a rock.  It is like Jesus said to Peter, ‘you’re a rock, and upon this rock, I will build My Church.’

Shon Hopkin – Three Things I Want to Accomplish When Teaching Isaiah

Search Isaiah - Shon Hopkin - Three Things I Want to Accomplish When Teaching Isaiah

Ken Krogue:  So, let’s get to yours.

Shon Hopkin: The flavors?

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin: Yes, so, my goal, when I teach Isaiah, and in this harmony that we’ve produced, it’s their number one, I want to act as a guide who is opening up Isaiah to readers now and in the future, rather than, and it’s a very significant difference in my mind, giving the concrete set answers, that close the text down.  And now, when you go there, well, I know the answer to this verse.

Ken Krogue: It kind of gets people to search Isaiah?

Shon Hopkin: Yes.

Ken Krogue: I love that.

Shon Hopkin: Exactly, I want people to rejoice in it and feel like they’ve got the tools to explore it and gain things on their own, as opposed to me saying, here’s how you should understand this verse…

Ken Krogue: I love that.

Shon Hopkin: To me, that’s not what Joseph Smith was modeling, right?  He is modeling an open experience of the scriptures that leads to increased and increasing revelation, continued revelation.  So that would be number one.

Ken Krogue: So that’s number one, ok.

Shon Hopkin: Number two, and you’ve already seen it as we’ve talked.  I do care to start with historical context, and then liken, and then you move to modern, and I like seeing it with Nephi too, and I really like Joseph Spencer’s scholarship for our readers.

Ken Krogue: Oh cool.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, he really works hard on the Book of Mormon and Isaiah and he does a lot of really good stuff there.

Ken Krogue: Yeah, we just talked with him, he was down the hallway.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, he is wonderful, but to see how Book of Mormon authors liken Isaiah, but you’ve got to start here wherever possible.

Ken Krogue: Sometimes it’s a historical question.

Shon Hopkin: Absolutely.  And sometimes Isaiah is just jumping ahead and that’s great, and we want to see that and acknowledge it, but a lot of times to start with his day and then liken it in our day, that’s what I like.

Ken Krogue: Ok, so hold that thought because I want to get…this is a great question we’re going to keep at.  So, let’s say if we were to do a scale of fifty/fifty, hundred/hundred, maybe it’s all history, all modern day, half/half, eighty/twenty, twenty/eighty, what would you say, just from your experience, the blend of this is about history, this is about today?

Shon Hopkin: Oh goodness, well…

Ken Krogue: Just off the cuff.  I don’t want it to be just…

Shon Hopkin: So, I would say the things that just jump directly forward to our day without having some kind of a historical foundation in Isaiah, would be twenty to twenty five percent.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

Shon Hopkin: And that being said, the things in Isaiah that can be likened in our day, and actually we are living these words today, one hundred percent.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

Shon Hopkin: Ninety-five to a hundred percent.  There’s very, very little I think and doesn’t matter anymore at all…we are living this story, and we talked about this.

Ken Krogue: This is pretty relevant.

Shon Hopkin: Oh, absolutely.  Who else is living this story the way latter-day saints are, because we are of the house of Israel.  He is talking about us.

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin: He is talking about all of the house of Israel right, but he’s talking about us.  So, I’m going to give you a hundred percent basically is relevant in our day.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

Shon Hopkin: Absolutely.

Ken Krogue: But probably seventy-five has to start with the historical foundation.

Shon Hopkin: Yes, he is doing things with the house of Israel in his day that we apply in our day, that we liken in our day, but sometimes, like I said, he just jumps straight forward to the last days to the end…

Ken Krogue: So, I don’t want to lose our context.  We had two bullet points, so flavors.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, so I’ve sort of given them to you already.  One of them is I want to act as a guide that opens the scriptures up, not closes them down, two, I want to start with historical context, but then three, you’ve sort of brought it out and highlighted it, is that I want to see why these things matter today.  I don’t care about Isaiah if it’s just an ancient text, although I guess I do a little bit, right?

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin:  But really, I want to…why does it matter to me, and I think over and over again, it matters to us.  We learn things today that we desperately need as part of the house of Israel.

What Secrets Do the Dead Sea Scrolls Reveal?

Qumran is a streambed (wadi) in the Judaean Desert of the West Bank near the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.It was in eleven caves this area that many scrolls were located, including the Great Isaiah Scroll (shown above with Donald w. Parry, renowned LDS Dead Sea Scroll expert).

In the middle of last century, members of the LDS Church were excited when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, because, as Andrew C. Skinner, then Dean of Religious Education at Brigham Young University, wrote:

“The life of Joseph Smith was inextricably tied to ancient sacred texts, particularly ones buried in the earth. it is not surprising that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are fascinated by new discoveries of ancient religious writings, including the Dead Sea Scrolls.”

In the Ensign, he wrote,”Many scholars regard the scrolls as the greatest archaeological find of the twentieth century.” 

Since the scrolls were discovered, interest in them has increased. Christians, Jews, and others have speculated about their contents to try to verify their own religious beliefs. Even our own LDS Bible Dictionary says this about them:

“In 1947 in an area known as Qumran, near the northwest corner of the Dead Sea, some significant rolls of leather and a few copper manuscripts were found preserved in earthen jars in some dark caves. …As a result of further searches in the area, many documents have been discovered and translated.  …Complete copies or fragments of every book of the Old Testament have been found except the book of Esther. …The contents of the scrolls are interesting to historians, textual critics, and readers of the Bible. The full impact may not yet be realized. …Not all the answers are in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but they constitute one of the most important archaeological discoveries of modern times.”

As a youth, I remember the frenzy behind the discovery and subsequent translation but was not aware that one of the most significant finds was the Great Isaiah Scroll. It is one of the original seven Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in Qumran and it is the largest at 24 feet in length (it is about 10 inches wide).

Happily, for us, of all the biblical scrolls, it is the best preserved and the only one that is nearly complete; its 54 columns contain all 66 chapters of the Hebrew version of the Book of Isaiah. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, it is one of the oldest, written about 125 BC, making it nearly one-thousand years older than the oldest manuscripts used to produce our modern Book of Isaiah.

A fun fact: you can view the Dead Sea Scrolls beginning Friday, March 16 through September 3 at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. They are open from 10 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday and 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday and Sunday. Tickets are available at the door or on their site, here.

You may also see The Digital Dead Sea Scrolls and a replica at the Shrine of the Book in Jerusalem’s Israel Museum, of course, you will need to know ancient Hebrew if you are going to read it.

That’s where Donald W. Parry and Stephen D. Ricks, both BYU professors, come in. They both who studied these first hand and wrote:

“Several readings of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon are supported by the Isaiah scroll. The following representative examples of these parallels have been adapted from Tvedtnes’s work:

  1. In many cases, passages in the Isaiah scroll and in the Book of Mormon contain the conjunction and, which is lacking in the corresponding KJV text. Compare the following:

    “and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not” (KJV, Isaiah 3:9)
    “and they declare their sin as Sodom, and they hide it not” (Isaiah scroll, Isaiah 3:9)
    “and doth declare their sin to be even as Sodom, and they cannot hide it” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 13:9 = Isaiah 3:9)

  2. Second Nephi 24:32 lacks the word one, which appears in Isaiah 14:32. The Book of Mormon version thus makes messengers the subject of the verb answer. The Hebrew Bible uses a singular verb, but the Isaiah scroll uses the plural, in agreement with the Book of Mormon:

    “What shall one then answer [sing.] the messengers of the nation?” (KJV, Isaiah 14:32)
    “What shall then answer [pl.] the messengers of the nations?” (Isaiah scroll, Isaiah 14:32)
    “What shall then answer [pl.] the messengers of the nations?” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 24:32 = Isaiah 14:32)

  3. In the KJV, Isaiah 48:11 reads, “for how should my name be polluted?” while 1  Nephi 20:11 reads, “for I will not suffer my name to be polluted.” The Isaiah scroll supports the Book of Mormon by having the verb in the first person, as follows:

    “for how should my name be polluted?” (KJV, Isaiah 48:11)
    “for how can I be polluted” (Isaiah scroll, Isaiah 48:11)
    “for I will not suffer my name to be polluted” (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 20:11 = Isaiah 48:11)

  4. In the KJV, Isaiah 50:2 reads, “their fish stinketh, because there is no water,” and the Isaiah scroll reads, “their fish dry up because there is no water.” Second Nephi 7:2 essentially preserves the verb stinketh from the KJV and the phrasal verb dry up from the Isaiah scroll: “their fish to stink because the waters are dried up.”
  5. Often a singular noun in the KJV is represented by a plural noun in the Book of Mormon. One example of this appears in Isaiah 9:9, where the KJV reads “inhabitant” and 2 Nephi 19:9 reads “inhabitants.” The Isaiah scroll supports the reading of the Book of Mormon with its reading of “inhabitants”:

    “and the inhabitant of Samaria” (KJV, Isaiah 9:9)
    “and the inhabitants of Samaria” (Isaiah scroll, Isaiah 9:9)
    “and the inhabitants of Samaria” (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 19:9 = Isaiah 9:9)

Parry and Ricks concluded: “These examples of variant readings in which the Isaiah passages in the Book of Mormon agree with the Isaiah scroll but not with the KJV could be multiplied.”

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls prompted great interest among scholars of the antiquities. Through their discoveries, we have learned much about the ancients and we can expect those “discoveries will support and supplement many principles and ideas that are already known to us through latter-day revelation,” as suggested by Skinner


Further Study

Parry, Donald W. and Stephen D. Ricks. The Dead Sea Scrolls: Questions and Responses for Latter-day Saints. Provo, Utah: FARMS, 2000.

Parry, Donald W. and Stephen D. Ricks, eds. Current Research and Technological Developments on the Dead Sea Scrolls: Conference on the texts from the Judean Desert, Jerusalem, 30 April, 1995. New York: Brill, 1996.

Ricks, Stephen D. “The Book of Mormon and the Dead Sea Scrolls.” In LDS Perspectives on the Dead Sea Scrolls, ed. Donald W. Parry and Dana M. Pike. Provo: FARMS, 1997, 177–189.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and Latter-day Truth, by Andrew C. Skinner, Dean of Religious Education, Brigham Young University, Ensign, Feb 2006

The Dead Sea Scrolls: A Roundtable Discussion Celebrating the 60th Anniversary of Their Discovery, Richard Neitzel Holzapfel, Donald W. Parry, Dana M. Pike, and David Rolph Seely, Religious Educator 8, no. 3 (2007): 127–146.

Abegg, Martin, Peter Flint, and Eugene Ulrich. The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible.San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 1999.

Brown, S. Kent, and Richard Neitzel Holzapfel. “The Dead Sea Scrolls.” Chap. 9 in The Lost 500 Years: What Happened between the Old and New Testaments. Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2006.

Collins, John J., and Craig A. Evans, eds. Christian Beginnings and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Acadia Studies in Bible and Theology. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2006, is an up-to-date, balanced view of the current status of scholarship about the Dead Sea Scrolls, including discussions of the Messiah at Qumran and of the Scrolls and Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, and James.

Davies, Philip R., George J. Brooke, and Phillip R. Callaway. The Complete World of the Dead Sea Scrolls. London: Thames and Hudson, 2002.

Magness, Jodi. The Archaeology of Qumran and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2003.

Parry, Donald W., and Dana M. Pike, eds. LDS Perspectives on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997.

Tov, Emanuel. Dead Sea Scrolls Electronic Reference Library. CD-ROM. Prepared by the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship. Leiden, Netherlands: Brill, 2006.

VanderKam, James C. The Dead Sea Scrolls Today. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1994.

VanderKam, James C., and Peter Flint. The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls: Their Significance for Understanding the Bible, Judaism, Jesus, and Christianity. San Francisco: Harper, 2002, contains an introduction to the discovery and history of the Qumran community, a survey of the manuscripts, and a discussion of the Dead Sea Scrolls and their significance for the study of the Old and New Testaments.

Vermes, Geza, trans. The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English, rev. ed. London: Penguin, 2004. Besides English translations of the nonbiblical texts from Qumran, this book includes an introduction to the scholarship of the scrolls, the basic scholarly issues, and the history and religious thought of the Qumran community.

 

Isaiah Chapter 7 / 2 Nephi 17

The coming of Jesus in Isaiah chapter 7

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The prediction of the birth of Christ in this chapter has always baffled me. However, if you take a few minutes to understand the historical context, you will realize this prediction is a sign to King Ahaz to persuade him to trust in the Lord’s protection against his enemies.

Because so much is going on in this chapter, I’d like to use John Bytheway’s summary to explain all that is going on

“The kingdom of Syria and the kingdom of Israel (here referred to as Ephraim, the dominant tribe) threaten to war against the kingdom of Judah if she will not join their alliance against the Assyrians. Isaiah prophesies to the king of Judah (Ahaz) that the alliance will fail and offers to give Ahaz a sign. Ahaz refuses, but Isaiah gives the sign anyway, that a virgin will conceive and bring forth a son called Immanuel, but before the child reaches the age of accountability, the alliance of Syria and Israel will be broken (a dual prophecy of a later Immanuel). If Ahaz refuses to believe the Lord, Judah will be invaded by the Assyrians and the Egyptians, people will be captured and humiliated, leaving productive farmland to become pasture for hunting and grazing.1

Madsen and Hopkin, in their Opening Isaiah—a Harmony, stated that “Isaiah 7–8 tell the story of a war in which Syria joined Israel [the northern tribes] against Judah”. In about 734–32 BC, Rezin, the king of Syria, and Pekah, the king of Israel fought against Ahaz, the king of Judah in hopes of installing their own puppet on the throne.  (See Map Isaiah below from their Harmony)2

The Harmony’s footnotes also offered this table that will help you understand who and where, as locations and people are listed in this chapter:

 THE BOOK OF THE PROPHET
ISAIAH

CHAPTER 7

Ephraim and Syria wage war against Judah—Christ will be born of a virgin—Compare 2 Nephi 17.

 King James Version

Book of Mormon
2 Nephi 17

Expanded Notes and Commentary

 Joseph Smith Translation (JST) corrections in the Book of Mormon are in RED; commentary and notes are GREEN 

aAnd it came to pass in the
days of Ahaz the son of
Jotham, the son of Uzziah,
king of Judah, that bRezin the 
cking of Syria, and dPekah the
son of Remaliah, king of Israel,
went up toward Jerusalem to
war against it, but could not
prevail against it.

x
x

x
x

aAnd it came to pass in the
days of bAhaz the son of cJotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah,
that dRezinking of Syria, and 
ePekah the son of Remaliah, king
of Israel, went up toward
Jerusalem to war against it, but
could not prevail against it.
x

x

x

x

x

About 734–32 BC the Assyrian empire was a superpower conquering their neighbors. Both Syria and Israel had become Assyrian “vassal states.” But they formed an “alliance in the hope of winning their independence. Pekah, king of Israel, and Rezin, king of Syria, invited Ahaz, king of Judah, to join with them, but Ahaz refused.”  In retaliation, they plotted an attack on Judah hoping to remove Ahaz to put their own puppet on the throne.2—Terry Ball and Nathan Winn, Making Sense of Isaiah, Deseret Book, p. 121

And it was told the house of
David, saying, Syria is
confederate with aEphraim.
And his heart was moved, and
the heart of his people, as the
trees of the wood are moved
with the wind.

x

x

And it was told the house of David, saying: Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

x

x

And it was told the house of David [Judah, Jerusalem], saying, Syria is confederate [joining forces] with Ephraim [Israel, the northern ten tribes]. And his [King Ahaz’s] heart was moved [shaken], and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind [they were “shaking in their boots”; scared]. Ridges, David J., The Old Testament Made Easier Part 3  Cedar Fort, Inc., Kindle Edition.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Then said the Lord unto
Isaiah, Go forth now to meet
Ahaz, thou, and aShearjashub
thy 
son, at the end of the 
bconduit of the upper pool3 cin
the 
highway of the fuller’s field4;

Then said the Lord unto
Isaiah: Go forth now to meet
Ahaz, thou and Shearjashub
thy son, at the end of the 
aconduit of the upper pool3 in
the 
highway of the fuller’s field4

aShearjashub was one of the sons of Isaiah who went with his father to visit King Ahaz. His name was a prophetic one that meant “the remnant shall return”Isa. 8:3, 18 (17–18).

Upper Pool3 and the Highway of the Fuller’s Field4

A fuller was one who cleaned, pressed, bleached and dyed cloth for a living. Since this work required a great deal of water, the “fuller’s field” or place of work was always near a pool or spring of water. The Spring of Gihon was a natural water source in the Kidron Valley. In early times, before Israelite occupation, the inhabitants of Jerusalem sent their women to the spring for water. Standing on an elevated platform, the women let their leather buckets down a forty-foot shaft, or conduit, that led to the spring below and hauled up their water. Some think this was the “conduit of the Upper Pool.” Located nearby was the “fuller’s field.” (See Miller and Miller, Harper’s Bible Dictionary, s.v. “Gihon.”) Remains of a large, man-made pool west of the city have been found, however, and some scholars think that may have been the location. OTSM

And say unto him, aTake heed,
and be quiet; fear not, neither
be fainthearted for the two tails
of these smoking firebrands3for
the fierce anger of Rezin with
Syria, and of the son of
Remaliah.x
x
x

And say unto him: Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be faint-hearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.

x
x

IE Don’t be alarmed by the attack; those two kings have little fire left.
The image is that of a torch that has burned out. The charred pieces of wood have no strength and carry no real threat (see Young, Book of Isaiah, 1:273).x

Because Syria, Ephraim, and
the son of Remaliah, have taken
evil counsel against thee, saying,

 

Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying:

In his Harmony, Parry translates the last part of this verse more clearly: … have plotted against you, saying:—Donald W. Parry, Harmonizing Isaiah, p 57

Let us go up against Judah,
and vex it, and let us amake a
breach therein for us, and set a
king in the midst of it, even the
son of Tabeal:

x

Let us go up against Judah and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, yea, the son of Tabeal.

x

The goal of the war was to place a puppet king, Tabeal, on Judah’s throne who would ally himself with Syria and Israel in their rebellion against Assyria.Madsen and Hopkin, Opening Isaiah—a Harmony, p. 26

Thus saith the Lord GodIt
shall not stand, neither shall
it come to pass.
x

Thus saith the Lord God: aIt
shall 
not stand, neither shall it
come to pass.
x

Here’s the Lord’s word through Isaiah, simply put: “It shall not stand neither shall it come to pass.”—Joseph Spencer, The Vision of All, p, 194

For the head of Syria is
aDamascusand the head of
Damascus is Rezin; and within
threescore and five years shall
bEphraim be broken, that it be
not people.x

x

For the head of Syria is
Damascus, and the head of
Damascus, Rezin; and within
threescore and five years shall
Ephraim be abroken that it be
not people.x

x

The prophet promised Ahaz that within sixty-five years Ephraim would cease to be a nation; this prophecy was fulfilled about 721 B.C. when Assyria gathered up and carried away the rebellious kingdom of Israel—Terry Ball and Nathan Winn, Making Sense of Isaiah, Deseret Book, p. 121

Because the chronologies of biblical and contemporary texts are neither complete nor in harmony, it is difficult to review the history with year-to-year precision. The fulfilment of this prophecy, however, is generally regarded as extending past the initial invasions of both Tiglath-pileser III and Shalmaneser V to the final conquest and displacement of the majority of the population under the Assyrian king Esarhaddon. Throughout the period of disruption and migrations, Ephraim, the Northern Kingdom, was able to maintain some identity until the final deportation. (See OTSM Enrichment F; see also Keil and Delitzsch, Commentary,7:1:211–12; Young, Book of Isaiah 1:275–76.)

And the head of Ephraim is
Samaria, 
and the head of
Samaria is Remaliah’s son. aIf
ye 
will not believe, surely ye
shall not be established.

x

x

x

x

x

And the head of Ephraim is
Samaria, and the head of
Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If
ye will anot believe surely ye
shall not be established.

x

x

x

x

x

Essentially, Isaiah is saying that since Syria (Damascus) is “headed” by king Rezin, and Ephraim (Israel) is “headed” by Remaliah’s son (Pekah), their political power will fail. The corrupt administration of these two kings will lead to Syria’s and Israel’s prophesied downfall. Isaiah warns Ahaz that Judah must remain firm in her faith in the Lord or else she too will fall.—Victor L. Ludlow, Unlocking Isaiah in the Book of Mormon. Deseret Book, pp 125–6

10 ¶ Moreover the Lord spake
again unto Ahaz, saying,

10 Moreover, the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying:

11 Ask thee sign of the Lord
thy 
God; ask it either in the
depth, or in the height above.
x

11 Ask thee asign of the Lord
thy God; ask it either in the
depths, or in the heights above.
x

King Ahaz was reluctant to accept counsel, so the prophet challenged him to seek the confirming witness of the Lord: “ask a sign” (OTSM ).

12 But Ahaz said, will not ask,
neither will atempt the Lord.


x

12 But Ahaz said: will not ask,
neither will atempt the Lord.


x

Still, the king refused, not because he was unwilling to tempt God as he said, but because he did not want the Lord interfering in his plans to make an alliance with other nations. (OTSM ).

13 And he said, Hear ye now,
house of David; Is it a small
thing for you to weary men,
but will ye weary my God also?
x

13 And he said: Hear ye now, O house of David; is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
x

Verse 13 gives us the feeling that both Isaiah and the Lord are frustrated with the king’s lack of faith.—Unlocking Isaiah in the Book of Mormon. Deseret Book, p 126

14 Therefore the Lord himself
shall give you asignbBehold,
cvirgin shall conceive, and
bear dsonand shall call his
name eImmanuel.

x

x

x

x


x

 x

14 Therefore, the Lord himself
shall give you sign—Behold,
avirgin shall conceive, and
shall bear son, and shall call
his name bImmanuel4.

x

x

x

x


x

 x

The Lord revealed the sign anyway, confirming the prophetic promise that the Messiah would be born of the remnant of Judah and that Judah would not totally perish.  …This name, Immanuel, is also a title that describes Jehovah’s mission in mortality. The New Testament provides a correct interpretation of its meaning in Hebrew. Matthew recorded: “Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:22–23)(OTSM).

This passage is cited in the New Testament as being fulfilled by the birth of Jesus Christ (see Matthew 1:25). Some commentators point out that the word translated virgin means only a young woman and not someone who has never had sexual relations. They do this in an attempt to refute this passage as proof of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ. But it can be shown that the term is properly translated and did mean an unmarried woman (Young, Book of Isaiah, 1:286–88).
The Book of Mormon, likewise, testifies of Mary’s virginity at the time of Christ’s conception (see 1 Nephi 11:13, 15, 18, 20–21). Thus, the vision of Nephi affirms Isaiah’s ancient prophecy that it was indeed a virgin who would conceive. (OTSM ).
President Marion G. Romney spoke of the importance of spiritual direction in understanding the prophet Isaiah’s declaration: “Here is another example in which men revise the scriptures without the inspiration of the Spirit. Isaiah, in predicting the birth of Christ, said: ‘Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.’ (Isaiah 7:14. Italics added.) When Isaiah used the word virgin, he was saying that a woman who had not known a man should bear a son.
“The modern translators say: ‘Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.’ (Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version [1952], Isaiah 7:14. Italics added.) You see, they do not believe that Christ was divine, so it does not make any difference to them whether they say a ‘young woman’ or a ‘virgin.’” (In Conference Report, Tokyo Japan Area Conference 1975, p. 46.)

15 aButter and honey shall he
eat, that he may know to
refuse the evil, and choose the
good.
x

15 Butter and ahoney shall he
eat, that he may know to refuse
the evil and to choose the good

x

Immanuel’s diet was to be curd and honey…Jesus’s birth into the poorer class of people would make this his diet.—Monte S. Nyman, “Great Are the Words of Isaiah,” p 58

16 For abefore the child shall
know to refuse the beviland
choose the good, the land that
thou abhorrest shall be forsaken
of both her kings.
x


x

16 For abefore the child shall
know to refuse the evil and
choose the good, the land that
thou abhorrest shall be forsaken
of bboth her kings.
x


x

In contrast to the promise to Judah, the writer prophesied the fall of the Northern Kingdom, “the land thou abhorrest” (v. 16), which opposed King Ahaz. The two kings who reigned in the north at that time were put to death by the Assyrians.Monte S. Nyman, “Great Are the Words of Isaiah,” pp. 58–59

17 ¶ aThe Lord shall bring upon
thee, and upon thy people, and
upon thy father’s house, days
that have not come, from the day
that bEphraim departed from
cJudaheven the king of Assyria.

x

17 The Lord shall abring upon
thee, and upon thy people,
and upon thy father’s house,
days that have not come from
the day that bEphraim departed
from Judah, the king of Assyria.x
x

History shows that Ahaz didn’t heed the Lord’s warning and instead tried to form an alliance with their common enemy! He asked Assyria to protect him from Syria and Israel!—Bytheway, John. Isaiah For AirheadsDeseret Book Company. Kindle Edition.

18 And it shall come to pass in
that day, that the Lord shall 
ahiss bfor the fly that is in the
uttermost part of the rivers of
Egypt, and for the bee that is in
the land of Assyria.

x

18 And it shall come to pass in
that day that the Lord shall hiss
for the fly that is in the uttermost
part of Egypt, and for the bee
that is in the land of Assyria.

x

x

As a result of their continuing rebellion, “the Lord shall hiss for the fly,” meaning the Lord would allow or call for plagues and troubles to come upon them.—Christensen, Reg. Unlocking Isaiah, Covenant Communications Inc.. Kindle Edition.

19 And they shall come, and
shall rest all of them in the
desolate valleys, and in the holes
of the rocks, and upon all thorns,
and upon all bushes.

x

x

19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.

x

x

The prophecy states that the land which has been cultivated for agricultural purposes will be left uncultivated following the Assyrian conquest. The fly and the bee are usually interpreted to be the armies of Egypt and Assyria, which would come upon Judah as a swarm.Monte S. Nyman, “Great Are the Words of Isaiah,” p 59

20 In the same day shall the
Lord ashave with razor that is
hired, namely, by them beyond
the river, by the king of Assyria,
the head, and the hair of the feet:
and it shall also consume the
beard.

 xx

x

20 In the same day shall the
Lord shave with arazor that is
hired, by them beyond the river,
by the king of Assyria, the head,
and the hair of the feet; and it
shall also consume the beard.
x

x

x

Shaving was a symbol of slavery, and this shaver that is “hired” may refer to the Lord using the Assyrians as a tool to punish covenant Israel, or to Ahaz, who foolishly “hired” or entered into an alliance with the Assyrians who would later betray him.—Bytheway, John. Isaiah For Airheads Deseret Book Company. Kindle Edition. 

21 And it shall come to pass in
that day, that aa man shall
nourish young cow, and two
sheep;x

x

x

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, a man shall nourish a young cow and two sheep;

x

x

The imagery used by Isaiah in verses 21–25, next, shows us that, after the conquering enemy armies have done their work, the land will be relatively empty of inhabitants.—Ridges, David J.. The Old Testament Made Easier Part 3. Cedar Fort, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

22 And it shall come to pass, for
the abundance of milk that they
shall give he shall eat butter: for
abutter and honey shall every one
eat that is left in the land.

x

x

22 And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk they shall give he shall eat butter; for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.

x

x

After the attack, there will be plenty of milk and honey because there will be few survivors to enjoy it. Perhaps also, the milk-producing animals have more former farmland as pasture, and are therefore more productive (see Ball, Isaiah and the Book of Mormon, audiotape). 

23 And it shall come to pass in
that day, that every place shall be,
where there were thousand vines
at thousand asilverlingsit shall
even be for briers and thorns.
 

x

x

23 And it shall come to pass in that day, every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, which shall be for briers and thorns. 

x

x

As a result of their war and rebellion, their land would be left desolate, and “where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns” (Isa. 7:23). Steep is the price of rebellion.—Christensen, Reg. Unlocking Isaiah, Covenant Communications Inc.. Kindle Edition.

24 With arrows and with bows
shall men come thither; because
all the land shall become briers
and thorns.

x

24 With arrows and with bows shall men come thither, because all the land shall become briers and thorns.

x

Previously cultivated land will become wild and overgrown so hunters will hunt wild beasts there.—Ridges, David J.. The Old Testament Made Easier Part 3. Cedar Fort, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

 25 And on all hills that shall be
adigged with the mattockthere
shall not come thither the fear of
briers and thorns: but it shall be
for the sending forth of oxen, and
for the treading of blesser cattle.
x

x

25 And all hills that shall be digged with the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns; but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and the treading of lesser cattle.

x

x

Small areas will be digged with the mattock (the hoe) for a few vegetables, but the formerly cultivated land will be primarily a grazing land for a few cattle. When Assyria came and conquered northern Israel, she also came upon the regions round about Jerusalem and thus fulfilled this prophecy.—Monte S. Nyman, “Great Are the Words of Isaiah,” p 59 

Chapter Links to the Book of Isaiah
(those in blue are posted others are pending)

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22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32
33 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44
45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55
56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66

 

Chapters of Isaiah Quoted in the Book of Mormon

1 Nephi 20 21
2 Nephi  7  8  12  13 14 15  16  17
18 19 20 21 22 23  24  27
Mosiah  14
3 Nephi  20  22

 

 

 

Shon Hopkin – The Start of Opening Isaiah: A Harmony with Ann Madsen

Opening Isaiah: A Harmony written by Shon Hopkin and Ann Madsen to help make Isaiah easier to study.

Ken Krogue:  Now, when we were introduced to you, we got to meet you and Ann Madsen.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: Tell us about that connection.

Shon Hopkin: So, Ann is a wonderful friend, a very close friend, and has been working with Isaiah for many years and teaching at least a few classes each year, here on Isaiah.  So, when I got here, I was asked to teach Isaiah pretty quickly, and the one thing I had wanted as a resource that just wasn’t available, when I was teaching Institute, was something that put Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith’s translation side by side.

Ken Krogue: Ah, yes.

Shon Hopkin: So that the students had access to that, so they could see easily, because constantly we were saying, well here is what it says in Isaiah, now in the Book of Mormon, let’s flip to that and see and trying to compare in contrast was tricky.  So, turns out she had worked on the early stages of the harmony, with her students, and somebody introduced me to that.  It was in very early stages, but it was there and so we met in connection with that.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

Shon Hopkin: And decided we would work on this project together and then of course that was…

Ken Krogue: I’ve heard it’s amazing.

Shon Hopkin: Well, I love it, right.

Ken Krogue: Our blogger that we hired the day he retired from the boy scout blog which has four hundred thousand subscribers, he’s like a rock star in blogging.

Shon Hopkin: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: He fell in love with it.

Shon Hopkin: One of the humblest rock stars I know.

Ken Krogue: Yeah, he is amazing, but so you got something there.  It’s pretty powerful.

Shon Hopkin: So, I use it in my classes, and Ann uses it in her classes, and it’s been a great tool for us to teach Isaiah with.  And the thing we like most about it, is it puts those texts, the texts are front and center, the scriptures are front and center, not what we are saying about the scriptures, and this is not your typical scripture commentary, and it might even be maybe a little frustrating for someone who wants to go to a book and just get all the answers.  That’s not what we’re doing.

Ken Krogue: But it gets you into Isaiah.

Shon Hopkin: Absolutely, and then our guidance is in flip notes and maps throughout, and so what we’ve tried to do is just very short, concise footnotes so that when there’s a sticking point, and anything that’s confusing, we just sort of give some guidance, some historical context, some historical insights as they’re working their way through Isaiah and then they can just see all the texts there.  One of the best parts of this, we’ve got a Dead Sea scrolls column as well, so that’s what took forever.  We did all the translation for that of the variants there, and then…

Ken Krogue: So, what are the different columns?

Shon Hopkin: So, you’ve got the King James Version, Joseph Smith translation, Book of Mormon, Dead Sea scrolls, then the one that’s really important, is actually a modern translation.

Ken Krogue: Wonderful.

Shon Hopkin: We use the NRSV, and then we’ve got a lot of flip notes from the NIV, so the New Revised Standard Version is probably one of the most widely accepted in academic circles, and the NIV, the New International Version is…

Ken Krogue: That’s just the big dog…

Shon Hopkin: That is the big dog yes, and it’s a wonderful translation.  It’s got some protestant leanings in its translations which is fine, and it’s beautiful.

Ken Krogue: Brother Millet will love that.

Shon Hopkin: Yes, I guess so.  That actually turns out to be very helpful because we think, oh Isaiah is so hard to understand.

Ken Krogue: [cross talking 00:03:11.23]

Shon Hopkin: The harmony?

Ken Krogue: Yeah, what’s it called?

Shon Hopkin: It’s called, Opening Isaiah, and it’s available on the religious studies centers website, as an electronic download right now, so it would be rsc.byu.edu/opening-Isaiah.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

Shon Hopkin: Or you can just go to rsc.byu.edu and search for it there.

Ken Krogue: Ok, great.

Shon Hopkin: And it can be purchased…the hard copy will be out in about five weeks.

Ken Krogue: Wonderful.

Shon Hopkin:  It’s been sent off to the publisher, and we’re excited for it.  It was envisioned primarily as a tool for students, but we’d love anybody else to take advantage of it, if they might be interested…so.

Ken Krogue: Ok.

LDS Presidents Share Their Favorite Isaiah Verse for President’s Day

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Last 5 Latter Day Saint Presidents share their #1 Isaiah verse for President's Day

Do you think the results are surprising? The last three presidents of the church mentioned Isaiah double President Howard W. Hunter and President Ezra Taft Benson, why do you think that is? President Brigham Young must have really found something special.

Shon Hopkin – Top 5 Questions About Isaiah

Shon Hopkin discusses the top 5 questions students ask about the Book of Isaiah

Ken Krogue:  List just the top five questions that you could ask in class? What do they ask you?

Shon Hopkin: So, they always…they want to know, how can I understand this in my day, right, and that is the goal.  How can I understand this in my day?

Ken Krogue: Yes, that’s one.

Shon Hopkin: Now, number two is what’s going on in Isaiah’s day…how will they understand what Isaiah is saying? And that is a big deal, right? Number three is students love to see the temple symbolism in Isaiah, right? What are…

Ken Krogue: Ah, I haven’t heard that before.

Shon Hopkin: And there are some beautiful things.  There are some beautiful things in Isaiah with his temple vision, and later on the imagery he does with hands and names and that kind of thing.  Temple imagery.  Number four, I would say, the nature of God.  What does this teach me about who God is?  And number five, I would say, what does this indicate about God’s overarching plan of salvation, alright.  The salvation history, this whole scattering and gathering of Israel is big for Isaiah.

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin: And so, they’re sort of, our day, Isaiah’s day, temple stuff, nature of God and nature of salvation history.

Ken Krogue: Now, there’s a lot of gloom and doom.  Does last day stuff come up in there?

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, but Isaiah, he talks about the doom and gloom, but he always puts the light in there.

Ken Krogue: Yeah, he is hopeful.

Shon Hopkin: He is never just doom and gloom, right.

Ken Krogue: So, it’s both balanced.

Speaker 2:  Yes, you turn to the Lord and there will be a righteous remnant that will come forth and he rejoices in that remnant after the scattering and the blessings that will come to Israel.  I mean it’s sweet and it is tender and it’s beautiful, ‘though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow, though they will be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.’  This is the line…Well now, and it’s even more profound than we think.  Scarlet and snow, scarlet actually is more a living blood that’s glistening…

Ken Krogue: That’s the most quoted in Isaiah…

Shon Hopkin: Yeah, but it’s even deeper than we think, I mean, scarlet is sort of this fresh blood and then it’s parallel with snow, right?

Ken Krogue: Yes.

Shon Hopkin:  This wet snow that can wash away sin or cover over sin.  Crimson is more dried blood, right?  Those kinds of sins that seem permanent, to create a permanent stain even across generations.  And then the opposite of the crimson is the lamb, the sacrificial lamb, who is also going to be as white as snow, right.  This lamb is, and through the sacrifice, and you’ve got I think atoning